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Old 10-01-2020, 12:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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My apologies if this has already been discussed, my search didnít come up with anything.

Hereís a scenario: I launch my boat at EOM (Netley creek). We all know the walleye limit on the Red, from the US border up to LW, is 4. I boat up river to LW, and have a great day and get my limit of 6 wallies (of course nothing under 35cm). I return back to the boat ramp at EOM at the end of the day where a CO is checking licenses/limits.

My questions are:
1/ how can I prove that I caught my 6 on LW and wasnít fishing the river
2/ is the onus on me to prove that I was fishing on the lake, or is the onus on Conservation to prove that I caught walleye on the Red and as such Iím 2 over my limit.

It seems to me that if youíre fishing LW and have 6 walleye in the livewell, as soon as you enter the river youíre over your limit. What if Iím returning with 6, and want to stop and target goldeye or other species on the river before retuning to the boat launch? Am I overthinking this or perhaps missing something in the interpretation of the regs?
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The guide is clear. If on the red you may legally only have 4 walleye and or sauger in your possession. This is where one has to love the greyness of the regs. You might be able to save yourself a fine if you could convince the CO’s based on your sonar track logs.
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What's more difficult is if you're in pine falls where we frequently go out to LW and back to the river. I've always been told that it depends on where you launched and where you were checked.


Another odd scenario is someone going to Ontario then comes backs and stops at the Whiteshell. How do you prove where the fish were caught?
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With the Ontario situation one might possibly show receipts for purchases there proving you were there. If you were checked in Ontario and you had fillets in zip lock bags might be able to ask the resource officer to initial or sign the zip lock bags including their badge number. Just casting out ideas.
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It always ends up being the discretion of law enforcement. After that, it's what you can prove in court if you challenge their decision to fine you.
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Have had this happen to me, we launched at Selkirk and fished the lake, CO’s were checking boats when we returned, we told them where we fished and they had no problem, however I called ahead the day before and spoke with an officer so I was confident there would be no issues.
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Did they ask to look at your sonar and check your trails/routes to verify your claims. Had friends fishing powerview/pine falls last fall and fished the lake around elk island. They had to show on their sonar charts they were not just fishing the wpg River.
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Did they ask to look at your sonar and check your trails/routes to verify your claims. Had friends fishing powerview/pine falls last fall and fished the lake around elk island. They had to show on their sonar charts they were not just fishing the wpg River.
They can ask all they want, it's not up to you to prove you're innocent.........it's up to them to prove that you're guilty!!!!! I would never show them........now if they charged me I would see them in court and be happy to play my GPS logs in front of the judge. Point is....just like a police office asking for you to consent to a search of your vehicle, you can say no.....if he had probable cause he could do it without your permission anyway.........by asking, obviously on a fishing expedition.....get it.......fishing expedition!!!!

They would have to observe you fishing in the river in order to charge you and/or prove their case!
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Gotta love the greyness of the many facets of the regs. I’m gonna be the devils advocate here. I would love to hear from a CO regarding this. I would think this situation is different from the courtroom. You arrive back at Selkirk Park with your buddy and there’s 12 fish in your live well. The regs clearly state may only have in their legal possession 4 walleye/sauger. Make your claim. You’re on the red. Your legal limit is 4. Oneness now upon you to prove to me your claim of fishing on the lake is true plus it’s still you’ve proven you actually caught any fish on the lake.
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Gotta love the greyness of the many facets of the regs. I’m gonna be the devils advocate here. I would love to hear from a CO regarding this. I would think this situation is different from the courtroom. You arrive back at Selkirk Park with your buddy and there’s 12 fish in your live well. The regs clearly state may only have in their legal possession 4 walleye/sauger. Make your claim. You’re on the red. Your legal limit is 4. Oneness now upon you to prove to me your claim of fishing on the lake is true plus it’s still you’ve proven you actually caught any fish on the lake.
You don't have to prove you fished the lake, they have to prove you fished the river. You might be on the river but didn't fish the river........nothing changes, they would need proof you fished the river, they would need to have observed you fishing the river..........

PS, pretty sure no CO is going to go on record here about this particular situation. Just think........would open up the can of worms with everyone claiming they came from the lake.
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