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Old 04-23-2018, 01:39 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Glad to hear that you did your due diligence. I've replaced more items on mine than it's worth and unfortunately most parts are not available new. Of course good maintenance is very important and if this was well maintained then it should have some life left in it.
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Old 04-23-2018, 03:12 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Yah, I bloody hope so.

Few things that eased my mind:

1) It's super clean with no leaking oil
2) The guy has a spare one there with some parts still left on it... only thing I need is a new prop and coincidentally that's one of the only parts he doesn't have! :'(
3) He had no skin in the game and actually just wants to build trust so that I go to him when I need a mechanic (and he probably doesn't want to screw me over since some of my family already goes to him)
4) Recommendations from family members for his character and work

I think I'll be fine but I know it's not exactly a Honda or anything. Hopefully it runs well and for a long time.

What kind of issues have you had with yours? Major or minor problems? Any tips for owning a force?
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Where do I start....

- Impeller needed to be changed (no problem... will come back to this later)

- Started up fine one day on the garden hose, but not the next day. Took it to a place that wasn't a marine shop and they said it was the starter. Changed that. Worked then didn't... long story short... cracked block and they broke the new starter trying to get it to run (my mistake for taking it to non-marine mechanic)

- Cracked block... bought a refurbished one from the Ebay... Delivery guy decides to throw it off the truck and breaks some pieces... more items replaced including the starter that the buffoons broke.

- All good to go... not quite... marine mechanic says that the gas tank has bad gas in it and doesn't recommend using it until it's removed and cleaned properly (next time I change the floor) so ran it off an auxiliary tank. Then he checks seals on the lower end and they're blown. Changes them and pressure tests the new ones but realizes that there is a piece made of hard plastic that cracked when the impeller was changed. He's changed it twice, each one cracking on installation. It's still with him since last fall and will see if he's going to try again or giving up on it.

From what I've read, Force was a cheap motor instead of Mercury engines (both owned by the same mother company). A lot of issues with the design and performance. The line was shut down many decades ago and some parts are impossible to find. Some marine shops (not mentioning names) make a good buck selling these parts as they have lots and they're hard to find in the new or used market.
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Old 04-23-2018, 05:50 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Well, they got bought out by merc... but yah. Same shit. I think a lot of the parts are interchangeable with merc though, no? Read that somewhere a while back. I'll start researching again.

Yah, seems like a lot of those issues were caused by user error (before you) or shitty mechanics. But I agree, not the best make. I think it's like buying a Kia instead of a Honda car.
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Yes, a lot of the parts are now Merc parts for their older motors. Marineengine.com has a breakdown of a lot of these motors and you can use the official numbers associated with them for tracking them down elsewhere.
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haha I need a new prop and telling them about it over the phone has them scratching their heads. They all know about it but can't look anything up in their database about it :P

5/6 told me just to bring it in. So I drove out to the country to my sister's place to take it off and bring it in. Annoying. Should have bought a different brand name for convenience alone!
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I would say yours is more closely related to the US marine (Chrysler) outboards, than the Merc ones... When Mercury acquired Force, they fitted them with their gearcase (which yours is not)... be prepared for aftermarket parts if and when available and hope it doesn't have too many issues.
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I would say yours is more closely related to the US marine (Chrysler) outboards, than the Merc ones... When Mercury acquired Force, they fitted them with their gearcase (which yours is not)... be prepared for aftermarket parts if and when available and hope it doesn't have too many issues.
Actually, there is a sticker on the back of mine that says US marine haha.

You saying they suck? haha shoot. Well I'm hoping it doesn't have issues and if it does I'm hoping the mechanic I got it from will have the spare parts in his Force parts motor.

...This may have been a bad purchase.
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well, any engine that doesn't exist anymore isn't exactly a good thing. i sold my 1979 merc because all the parts were NLA... it could still be running today, or it may be an anchor. hopefully you don't have to worry.

i will suggest to use premium fuel and good quality oil. that will go a long way for runability
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so far, that's the plan haha. thanks man!
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